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  • Nuxugya
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    Joined: Feb 11th, 2010
    Re: Djing with Live
    yea, i agree. the core live stuff gets even a beginner working, my TNT stuff is made to be moderately advanced, this tutorial would be truly advanced and probably for a smaller audience. but it seems like at least a few of you guys would be up for it, ha ha.
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  • Tecepue
    Posts: 21
    Joined: Oct 7th, 2010
    Re: Djing with Live
    that type of article is EXACTLY why I joined these type of sites. I’m sure theres more of us out here, they just don’t use the forum or are shy. there might even be a target audience youre missing bc they think it’s all too remedial. I don’t think so, just thinking out loud. Either way, the subscribers will get there eventually right?
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  • GaryHiebner
    Posts: 1434
    Joined: May 6th, 2007
    Re: Djing with Live
    I'm definitely up for an advanced Live tutorial like that. Best way for transitions between tracks with Dummy Clips and routing and controller tips would be great. I have a Launchpad and would definitely be interested in seeing tutorials on the Launchpad or APC type controllers and the best use for them in a live context.
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  • Tecepue
    Posts: 21
    Joined: Oct 7th, 2010
    Re: Djing with Live
    Yes yes! Yea most people seem to have an APC20-40 or Launchpad. I personally have an apc40. That's what Dubspot and other "Music Schools" teach with. All the teachings would cross over though, as youd be teaching out of a screen. I don't see much use having a tutorial about those kind of controllers though, as they self assign(auto map) and are made for live use. If you're in volume mode it controlls volume/ if it's a row of 8 level faders same. Nothing to teach. In implementation sure. Designing a Live arrangement would require knowledge of what and how you'd control it. This particular rabbit hole is especially deep. With Ableton you can set up unlimited to system number of tracks of anything routed to anything you want with dozens of effects and instruments/audio in-between. It'd be great to get a "when where how and why" for all this. All of this also branches into the "performer" category, with a lot of the sets I'm thinking of broken down like "kick loop channel, snare loop channel, synth loop channel, etc" so you can perform your own tracks as well as stem out ones you buy. Beatport and other places even sell songs in mastered stem format for this type of djing/ performing. This will be big and IMHO is where the scene is headed. That and modding out and making your own instruments like with MAX.
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  • Nuxugya
    Posts: 19
    Joined: Feb 11th, 2010
    Re: Djing with Live
    I know exactly what you mean, I deal with that constantly. I play instruments, loop stuff, trigger stems, follow actions, dummy clips, tempo automation, etc... Most of the time I'm trying to improvise as much as possible, but certain cases both hands could be busy playing notes and I have to plan ahead for that. This video is from a few years ago but you can see what I mean - [url]http://vimeo.com/3380929[/url]
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  • Tecepue
    Posts: 21
    Joined: Oct 7th, 2010
    Re: Djing with Live
    Sweet. I'll check that out ASAP. Improvisation would be key. Haha, I opened up for a well known Dnb/dubstep group whom shall remain nameless. My set prior was done on cdjs. He was "playing live" which to most people it seems based on what i see at a club means line full songs up in arrangement view, make sure everything's on the grid/quantized and press play, occasionally quarter bar looping or turning effects on and off. Someone called for a rewind.... Haha he couldn't do it, it wasn't even in it's own clip so he couldn't restart it. Lol. That was the set. He wasn't once I don't think in session view. Djing turntables/cdjs is so much more "LIVE" than that. Someone djing traditionally has a chance to mess up, has to have ears to not wreck, etc. Not just press PLAY. Not even putting the songs in phase, already done. I see the work, as it's not easy to craft a good set like that, which it was, but in that case burn it to cd or upload it and distribute. The newbies see crap like this, and not knowing any better they go out, buy a laptop, a midi controller and call themselves djs = low quality and market flooding. I'm sure everyone knows but Panasonic shut Technics down. No more 1200s. And if you ask me I think the cdj2000 might very well be the last "deck" we see. Check out a pssl catalogue or musicians friend. It's all controllers. Barely any mixers or decks. Largely in part bc no one has set a standard in Ableton use. Everyone knows what to look for with a traditional dj. "spinning" has been perfected over and over since the early 70s. It's time to set a standard, clear some no talents from the roster and show anyone on a laptop that "THIS IS LIVE", it's a synth and I just looped it, triggered my own clips, knocked my own drums, some cuts of chart toppers combined with twisted effects, finger banging basslines right in front of them. Or so I dream.
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  • Nuxugya
    Posts: 19
    Joined: Feb 11th, 2010
    Re: Djing with Live
    When we started the Warper party several years ago, one of the main concerns was making sure that the crowd could see what and how you were working. So for a while we would have projection from the performers laptop, so you could see the workflow. That eventually got replaced by VJs because frankly it makes for a better party. I still go out of my way though, to make sure that I'm visibly working hard the whole time. And hopefully peeps can see how much is being done in realtime. At bigger events, I love to see a camera on the hands and controls of the performer. Similar to when you see some arena rock and they have large screens with close-ups of the guitar solos :)
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  • Tecepue
    Posts: 21
    Joined: Oct 7th, 2010
    Re: Djing with Live
    Absolutely. It has that potential and people like Plastikman / Ritchie Hawtin, Deadmau5, Dubfire, Pretty lights really put on a show. Not my genres but amazing none the less. It's deffinetly getting more visual. The only cost effective way for me personally to branch out like that at least for live performance is a video plug in for serato..... Does that do audio with the video or is it one or the other? Obviously the fun in that is digging your own video, but I'm sure there's canned video packs out there. Something I want to branch out to, right now though I'm trying to get my 'Live' on, with the bridge or traktor into ableton with some clever internal midi routing. Having a screen to show the punters is obviously a great idea. I can't see warping a track in a live senario unless I'm to teach but I'm sure people do it.
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  • Couny
    Posts: 20
    Joined: Nov 25th, 2011
    Re: Djing with Live
    As an experienced vinyl mixer and turntableist (about 12 years now) I found it hard to make the switch over to a more digital workflow, however it has opened up a whole new universe of options/ideas/workflow scenarios. I as well am using Live and also Maschine for production and DJ'ing and would love to see some advanced TNT on the subject. I have learned a lot through the various tutorials on how to apply methods I have learned over the years, in fact I am now working on designing sounds to throw into Traktor, scratch with timecode and reloop into Live as kind of a pre performance "live feel", although ideally it would be great to be able to do this in real time. But back to the subject, Yes I would really appreciate some heavy duty tutorials on setting up and creating some of the methods stated previously in this thread.
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  • GaryHiebner
    Posts: 1434
    Joined: May 6th, 2007
    Re: Djing with Live
    Thats great. Have you checked out the Maschine tutorials as well? [url]http://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/nativeinstruments207-maschine-quick-start[/url] [url]http://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/nativeinstruments208-maschines-sampler-explored[/url] [url]http://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/nativeinstruments209-maschine-masterclass[/url]
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